Precision Rifle - Testimonials

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We cannot possibly include all the e-mail that we receive but we will rotate them as time allows.

Mr. Epp,

I wish to thank you in writing for the exceptional products you offer. Your are a true pioneer.
Last year, I bought the cheapest inline ML on the market - a CVA Staghorn Magnum. I originally "sighted" this in with your 275 gr Extreme w/ the standard Shotgun primer. The best group I ever got was maybe 4". I thought that this was a "get what you pay for" group, but was successful in getting my deer and cow moose.
After reading some of your tips, I ordered the Super Rat loading tool, the VariFlame adapter, and purchased a heavier bullet - all via your site. After some experimental hours at the range with powder, cleaning, and seating (and a sore shoulder), I developed THE load for this rifle. Enclosed is a picture of my best group. 360 Extreme Elite, VARI-FLAME w/Winchester Small Rifle Primer, 120 gr of Pyrodex RS, all served up with the the Super Rat loading Tool. Just a touch over under 1.5" @ 100 yards.
This may not be the smallest group you have seen, but your accessories have turned my "Sow's Ear Rifle" into a "Silk purse shooter".
Thank you Sincerely,
Richard Troute
Denwood, Alberta, Canada

I discovered the precision rifle bullet in 2002 after trying at least five other top manufactures of muzzleloader bullets (Remington, Hornady, T/C, etc.). I had come to accept the typical 4" (3) shot group @ 100yds with peep sights (scopes not legal in my state of Idaho) as normal for modern muzzleloaders. When I began reading about subminute of angle groups with prbullets, I was skeptical but curious enough to place an order of Dead Center 50/45 bullets. Immediately my accuracy improved but I was closer to 2.5" than an 1". Rather than stop there, I gave prbullet a call. Working with Cecil, I was soon shooting groups that averaged 1.5" with the best being .75" (with the rare 3" because of a flyer). I had improved my accuracy 250%! The next test came a month later during hunting season. I took a 160 pound mule deer doe at 80 yards. The shot was head on and when the smoke cleared, I saw the deer racing downhill kicking her back legs wildly. She piled up 25 yards later. Upon cleaning the deer, I found the entrance wound at the base of her neck between her front shoulders. The bullet took the heart and then broke every rib from that point back. I found the bullet lodged against the pelvis (over 3 feet of penetration!) Upon weighing the bullet, it still weighed 264 grains- it had retained 88% of its original weight after hitting all that bone. To say the least, I am very happy that I found the Precision Rifle bullet and was thankful for all the technical help that the company gave. Their products are what they say they are.

Sincerely, a customer for life, Robby Denning, hunter and outdoor writer. * Rifle was a 50 cal Kahnke in 24" moly barrel

Love your product. Both of these deer were shot with QT Polymer Tip 275 gr. Both deer went straight down with zero years to recovery. Last years deer (2001) was my son's first hunt. Keep up the good work!!!

Dean Iwanoczko

Just wanted ya'll to know that your bullets work great this is my business and hunting partner with a 155" buck taken with a 45 caliber Encore and I sending another picture with me and a 145" 9 point(my first muzzleloader kill) taken with a 200 grain dead center. Thanks for all ya'll help with the loads and all the other information we got. I can truly tell my customers to use your bullets.
Ronnie Cannon - Oxford, Ms. HOLE-IN-THE-HIDE OUTFITTERS

Dear Sirs,

I would like to take this time to thank you for a fantastic product. On November 12, 2002 I made the most efficient humane kill ever with a muzzleloader. The result was a nine point buck with a 20 inch inside spread. The buck weighed 163 lbs. I dropped him with your dead center 45 caliber 240 gr. right in his tracks. I am shooting a nickel size group at 100 yards with a Thompson Center Encore and a 100 gr. of triple seven and your dead center sabots. This is a great combination that I plan to use over and over again. Again Thank you for our product and I look forward to seeing what you have to offer in the future.

Sincerely,
Michael K. Williams

Hi.

I am very impressed with your QT bullets. My wife had a great deer hunting season this year, and your QT 240 gr. bullet had a lot to do with it. The down range accuracy even with a old TC Hawkins 1 in 48 twist rifle, is the best we have ever used. Attached are some pictures

Roger & Sharon Conrath

Our deer season is over in Indiana. I, along with three other hunters shot bullets made by Precision Rifle. Two of the hunters are members of this board. We killed a total of 12 deer among the four us, including two mature bucks. Two of us shot 450 grain, .50/.54 sabots. We killed 9 deer. 6 of them had 0 yards to recovery. 2 went 15 yards and the mature 8 point went about 35 yards. I hit the 8 at 60 yards with a perfect double lung shot. He was the one to go 35 yards. Two guys killed the other three with 360 grain, .45/50 sabots. All three of them were 0 yards to recovery and one was a mature 5 pointer. ALL had exit wounds. All had HUGE blood. Two of the three that ran died within sight of the shooter and the one that did not just made it into the brush and I heard him thrashing for just a second or two. Overall, I have to give the bullets a huge, major, glowing endorsement. They do what I want them to do. I was never a fan of delivering a lot of energy into the deer. A hole straight through was sufficient for me, but... as long as I get an exit wound I am happy, and there is something to be said for getting the best of both worlds. I like seeing the deer drop. And I think that it is very humane as well. None of the 12 deer lasted more than about 5 seconds. PR bullet has a web site. If you call to order bullets, tell Cecil that you heard about them from me. He might send me another hat!

John T. Lowe

Gentleman

I would like to congratulate you on making /designing/marketing an amazing product. I would never have believed that a muzzle loader could be so accurate and so powerful at long range. On Thursday this week my best friend Frank of Springville Springers shot a ten point white tail buck at two hundred and forty one yards!!!! The three hundred grain dead center smashed and disabled one shoulder and punched through an off side rib. Your Dead Center bullets even get rid of the dreaded loading wrestling match of shoving the bullet down the bore. The Savage smokeless powder rifles and your Dead Center bullets are a match made in heaven. To my knowledge there is no better combination for muzzle loaders. After shooting paper and game I am wondering what the limits are of this super accurate and powerful combination. I keep checking your web site for updates on your exterior ballistics of your three hundred grain 45 caliber Dead Center bullets for 50 caliber rifles. Please publish them. I am starting to day dream about next years muzzle loading season here in Ontario and maybe a muzzle loading elk hunt in New Mexico next year. I am still shaking my head at the ability of these smokeless powder rifles using your bullets. And NO I do not work for Savage or the hunting or firearm industry ( I wish I did!)

Regards Don Katsumi
ps: TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE YARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To whom it may concern,

I realize a great deal of time and effort went into making the Dead Center .45 "round". I am here to say that it performs flawlessly on whitetail deer. On opening morning, Monday Dec. 02, 2002, (Ohio) I shot a nice eight point and was astonished at the way the bullet performed. I was using a CVA Eclipse .45, Triple 7 powder, Winchester primer, and your Dead Center. I shot the Buck at about 50 yards from an elevated stand and the Buck performed a 15 yard 'death dance' before he made two complete circles and fell stiff. I was amazed at the impact and the reaction of the deer since he damn there made a back flip when shot. Even though on this occasion the bullet did not make a complete pass through the animal, the hole inside the deer cavity behind the left front shoulder was about as big as a softball. I have yet to skin the deer out, and I believe the bullet is either wedged in between the muscle and the hide or in the right shoulder blade. Thank you again for your hard work and dedication in making such a wonderful muzzleloading projectile. It makes the hunt all that much better when a person can make a fast and humane kill. Good luck in future endeavors and I know you have a customer for life.

Your hunting buddy, Tom Moses

To Everyone,

I bought my first bullets from you many years ago at a trade show, I've shot nothing else since. The accuracy and performance is unparalleled by any of your competition. As a professional big game hunter your bullets have proved themselves many times over ( To the delight of my taxidermist.) This year proved to be another success. I harvested this beautiful eight pointer at 108 yds. with a 300 grain silver lightning on the last day of Minnesota deer season. (See attached file: 2002 Whitetail Buck.bmp)

Thanks, And good hunting.
Gregory S. Maros

Hi,
I just want to say thanks for making the best bullets around. Attached is a picture of a deer I harvested on my Great Uncles farm in Minnesota November 16, 2002 using a Dead Center 175g in My Knight 45 Disc Extreme pushed with 110g of 777 fff. The deer was at 160 yards walking. The shot was a pass through which hit both lungs, he traveled about 50 yards and tipped over dead. This is the third deer I've shot with these bullets and all three went less than 50 yards with great blood trails.

Thanks again,
Brett Vegoe
Minnesota

PRbullet!

I have enjoyed shooting your bullets, I have purchased 300 of your Dead Center .40 cal 200 grain for my T/C Encore, very nice. I have also shot approx 200 of your QT .40 cal 250 .44 cal. Wonderful expansion on recovered bullets. I am currently working with your .40 250 grain QT, but due to Indiana law I must use a .44 cal bullet. I have now shot 150 rounds through my T/C Encore and 100 rounds with my new Omega. Enclosed is the group I attained from my Encore after using your loading and "spit patching" procedure. To say the least I am pleased. Currently the Omega is being zeroed in at 200 yards. Using 130 grains of Triple 7 and attaining 2.0 to 2.5 inch groups. I tell everyone about your product! Thanks for all the good work. Looking forward to your ballistics on the Dead Center 260 grain.

Thanks again!
Todd Wiedell

Just wanted to let you know, this last weekend I shot your Precision Dead Center 240 grain bullet and sabot in my T/C Encore 209x50 Muzzleloader. I started with 100 grains and ended with 120 grains of Hodgden 777 powder. At 75 yards and up to 100 yards I was shooting 0.75 inch groups with this combination. I also had installed a spring kit from BellM to lighten the pull to approx. 2 lbs. Other than this the Encore is stock. Last season when I bought the gun I was shooting approx. 4-5 inch groups with the stock trigger pull and both weights of CVA Powerbelts. Since these groups were not really what I expected from this gun, I decided to change things for more accuracy. After reading your article on changes you made to a test 209X50 Encore, I became motivated to do the same thing. Hence the results I got! I am highly impressed with the quality and accuracy of your Dead Center bullets!!! What a great product you make. I only hope other hunters see the light and use your bullets for all their hunting needs!

Again, Thanks
Jack G. Ingle

Just a note - I shot a small buck (120 lbs dressed) two years ago that was just a little over 200 yds. The QT40 235 hit him directly in the heart. My buddy, who was looking through the binocs when I shot him, said it looked like a blood-filled water baloon broke out of the opposite side. He ran about 40 yds. When I opened him up his heart and the lower part of his lungs were gone. Sucked out of a hole about the size of a nickle. Awesome!

Thanks for making these bullets,

Rick

Cecil,
I waited 5 months for a TC Omega and when I got it last week I tried your Dead Center bullets in 200, 220 and 240 grains. At 100 yards I had a 3-shot group of 0.6" with the 240's using 100 grains Triple Seven FFFg (photo attached). I'd never seen a muzzleloader outshoot my centerfire rifle, so the next day I tried the same load at 50 yards and got a 0.4" group!
I'll be ordering more.

Don Stanford

I like to shoot, and I shoot a lot. I've shied away from sabots in times past, as fighting hard to load, low ballistic coefficient pistol bullets is not my idea of a good time. I'd rather be stamp collecting. Cecil Epp's "Dead Center" sabots have taken muzzleloading sabots to a whole new level, and have changed my idea of how good saboted bullets in modern muzzleloaders can actually be. They are the easiest loading sabots I have ever used. They are also by far the most repeatably accurate bullets I have ever used in the popular 1:28 twist barrels. I can't promise anyone that Cecil's "Dead Center" bullets will turn a muzzleloader with lackluster accuracy into a tackdriver. I can say that they WILL take an already accurate 1:28 twist barreled smokepole, and elevate it to a phenomenal level of accuracy and flat trajectory that would be regarded as unbelievable only a few years ago. I suspect the ghosts of Elmer Keith and Jack O'Connor have looked down on the craftsmanship of the bullets manufactured by Cecil Epp and his sons. And boy, are they ever smiling! What the hole in the X-raying tells you, your heart must believe. "Dead Centers" have made a believer out of me. If you give them a test drive, you'll be a believer as well!

Randy Wakeman 12362 S. Oxford Lane Plainfield, Illinois 60544 815-254-2135 USA

Gentlemen,
This September will be remembered for trying new things; while I didn�t draw, both of my sons drew buck antelope tags in the muzzleloader season, and as youth were given access to an area not hunted for the past two years. While we had all hunted does before with a centerfire rifle, none of us had experienced a muzzleloader hunt, and certainly not during the rut. The terrain was flat as the proverbial pancake, with very little other than the scattered yuccas to use for cover. We would need to prepare for some accurate shots at ranges previously reserved for high power rifle hunts. Sometimes it�s a blessing to start with no experience: it lessens the preconceptions about what can and cannot be done, and forces one to study the available options. That�s what I did when researching the loads for a T/C Black Diamond I bought used this spring. I was intrigued with your �Dead Center� double saboted .357 bullets, and while there were other better advertised and highly touted options out there, I decided to give them a try on the range. I was not disappointed! Both of my boys (ages 13 and 16 as of the hunt) found the recoil pleasant and the whole hands-on process of muzzleloading to be, well, fun.

I have enclosed two photos from this hunt; while neither buck will score high (each was 13in) they are great �firsts� and will make fine European mounts in the boys� bedroom. Additionally, the 13 year old will take the T/C and your 195grain bullets on a November cow elk hunt. If you�re into loading recipes, we used 110grains of Triple Seven and 209 primers with these 195grain projectiles. I didn�t have time to �tinker� with the loads for best accuracy, but for hunting purposes this worked well. I appreciate your web site and helpful advice on it.

Thank you for your part in the memories of two young gentlemen and a proud Dad.
Robert Patterson

Cecil,
Great to find a product that really works! I took my TC Omega .45 with its new .25 breech plug out to the range and had a group tighten from 5 inches to less than an inch, shooting 175 g Dead Centers with 105 grains of T3 FFg.
Thanks for your help.
Don Matheson

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